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  1. Kbl911

    (Hagerty) How fast is the new $50k Nissan Z? — New Z vs Supra vs Mustang Mach-1

    Sure they could have. Virtually all other manufacturers do, regardless of whether or not they make changes to the product. If the argument was that sales were slipping already, then Nissan had a larger problem on their hands with respect to the Z and its place in the market. I don't know that...
  2. Kbl911

    (Hagerty) How fast is the new $50k Nissan Z? — New Z vs Supra vs Mustang Mach-1

    Thoughtful response. A lot to digest, here. One fundamental disagreement I have is comparing the price in 2009 to 2022 when the 2020 model is the most recent example we can look at. *Only* in that case does the inflation-adjustment argument hold any water. In essence, what is being argued is...
  3. Kbl911

    (Hagerty) How fast is the new $50k Nissan Z? — New Z vs Supra vs Mustang Mach-1

    I considered that, too, and it could be a way of understanding the initial pricing structure. But Nissan's own rhetoric contradicts that - they're still claiming that keeping the price "low" or "affordable" was a baseline objective for the new model. Either they're being disingenuous about the...
  4. Kbl911

    (Hagerty) How fast is the new $50k Nissan Z? — New Z vs Supra vs Mustang Mach-1

    Definitions must vary, here, because in the 2020 model year, you could buy a new Z in the US for about $31,000 (MSRP, I'm referring to) and, as has been mentioned, the Sport trim was only around $4,000 more. Hell, even the equivalent of the Performance trim was around $40,000 so, if *that's* the...
  5. Kbl911

    Official: U.S. 2023 Nissan Z priced at $39,990 Sport, $49,990 Performance, $52,900 Proto Spec (Now Including Exterior/Interior Color Combos)

    Yeah, the idea that Nissan *couldn't* create some kind of "enthusiast" trim with the go-fast bits and nothing more for a reasonable premium over the base is silliness. They've done it before and, ostensibly, are still doing it in Japan. I hold out hope that they will in the future.
  6. Kbl911

    Which trim level Z are you getting?

    Perhaps not. I didn't infer your "hHe forum" bit from the comment, there. But my thoughts on what *Nissan* makes of it would be different. Isn't it kind of like saying that, if 85% of the people already standing in a particular clothing store intend to purchase something due to brand loyalty...
  7. Kbl911

    Which trim level Z are you getting?

    I don't think we know if that means anything, yet, the sample group is too focused. The general population of potential sports-car purchasers will determine that.
  8. Kbl911

    (Hagerty) How fast is the new $50k Nissan Z? — New Z vs Supra vs Mustang Mach-1

    True! It's ludicrously decontented in terms of some basic performance bits but this is undeniably true, in a hypothetical sense (i.e. You're unlikely to find these at dealerships for quite some time, if at all).
  9. Kbl911

    (Hagerty) How fast is the new $50k Nissan Z? — New Z vs Supra vs Mustang Mach-1

    It's that fact which keeps me hopeful that this will not remain the trim structure in all other markets, for terribly long.
  10. Kbl911

    Official: U.S. 2023 Nissan Z priced at $39,990 Sport, $49,990 Performance, $52,900 Proto Spec (Now Including Exterior/Interior Color Combos)

    Combined with the choice being binary for this model year (Proto Limited Edition aside).
  11. Kbl911

    Savagegeese Nissan Z Full Technical and Driving Review

    Yeah, it seems that way. But maybe it isn't. What if it's more that the proportion of "those who can" to "those who cannot" tilts unfavorably toward the latter at the current price thereby weakening the Z's "everyman sports car" credentials?
  12. Kbl911

    (Hagerty) How fast is the new $50k Nissan Z? — New Z vs Supra vs Mustang Mach-1

    With the caveat that they are shopping in the over-$50k price range, of course 😉
  13. Kbl911

    Savagegeese Nissan Z Full Technical and Driving Review

    That's true...ish. If the early adopters cause the first run to sell well but the vehicle runs out of steam in a few years or fails to convert the normies, would we say that it has failed, then? Or was it still worth it to structure the price this way? I think it's more of a gamble than Nissan...
  14. Kbl911

    (Hagerty) How fast is the new $50k Nissan Z? — New Z vs Supra vs Mustang Mach-1

    Very true. The 370Z went through many different trim structures through the years so I do expect that this binary idea will not stick for long. I think it was just the simplest way to get this vehicle launched while still being able to claim that it's a "sub-$40,000 car," even if that's kind of...
  15. Kbl911

    (Hagerty) How fast is the new $50k Nissan Z? — New Z vs Supra vs Mustang Mach-1

    You nailed it - they would rightly call this trim "Enthusiast." Perfect.
  16. Kbl911

    (Hagerty) How fast is the new $50k Nissan Z? — New Z vs Supra vs Mustang Mach-1

    I think this hypothetical "Track trim" or whatever we wish to name it is what many in the community were looking for, really. Don't need leather appointment, don't need a larger infotainment screen or more speakers or the spoiler, etc. Just wheels, brakes, LSD, firmer suspension setup. Hell...
  17. Kbl911

    Official: U.S. 2023 Nissan Z priced at $39,990 Sport, $49,990 Performance, $52,900 Proto Spec (Now Including Exterior/Interior Color Combos)

    I'm going to keep rolling with my 2017 Z for the foreseeable future, it seems. Perhaps, when the dust finally settles, Nissan will even have expanded the range and restructured the pricing. I could probably be talked into a "Track Pack" with the LSD, Akebonos, 19" alloys, and the upgraded...
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